Did you know the age of astronomy Indonesia has more than 15,000 years ? Knowledge of ancient astronomy Indonesia are closely related to Pawukon. In the book “Pustoko Rojo Purwo” by Ronggowarsito, there is the story of “Watugunung” which recounts his life from childhood to become king in the Kingdom Gilingwesi. More detail just visit: http://www.sundalander.com/2010/10/pawukon-astronomy-of-ancient-indonesia

Happy to have here,
I don’t know, you know more than me.
Just I think Panaino lecture was for a public of beginners (I guess from what he says) , so maybe his thought is more elaborated.
About other astrological traditions, Boll believed that Chinese “years of animals” came from Egyptian dodekaoros (in “Sternglaube und Sterndeutung; die Geschichte und das Wesen der Astrologie”)- as you remember it was Boll who suggested to Warburg the origin of Ferrara frescos - and contacts between China, India, and Mediterranean area are possible.
For Mesoamerican tradition no idea, astrology as we know works for our latitudes, when we are in front of Southern hemisphere we don’t know even how to cast a chart…

margherita

This is great. Thanks for translating and posting this Margherita.

I am a big fan of Panaino’s work on the Sassanian astrological traditions, although I am somewhat disappointed that he is continuing to use Pingree’s distinction between “astal omens”/”astral divination” and “astrology”.

Part of this argument arises from Pingree thinking that all Hellenistic astrology was based on a purely causal framework, and there were no divinatory conceptualizations of astrology in the Hellenistic tradition and afterward. That is obviously not the case though, and I think Pingree knew that.

Additionally, using such a restrictive definition of ‘astrology’ creates problems when you start talking about other ‘astrological’ traditions such as Chinese astrology or Mesoamerican astrology.

What do you think?

Excellent! I just poked my pals on the yahoo group page about this article. The_Betty