Relocating solar returns?

June 17th, 20118:16 pm @ margherita fiorello

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Relocating solar returns?

Being an Italian it’s almost impossible now and then avoiding  supporters of relocated solar returns and travel solar returns: however every cloud has a silver lining so a recent thread on an Italian list  gives me the opportunity to write some short notes about the matter.

Modern astrologers generally relocate the solar return for the place where the native currently lives or they arrange it in advance in order to improve native life. But what about traditional astrology?

For what I know there is no ancient text where the solar return relocation is mentioned, so there is no reason for traditional astrologers to cast the chart elsewhere than the birth place. So for example I should disagree with Ben Dykes who in his article about Michael Jackson1  relocates the solar return for Neverland - still I’m not sure Dykes would do the same now, it’s a very old article.

Morin himself - the father of relocation-  in the Book XXIII  of Astrologia Gallica states:

About this matter, the old astrologers settled absolutely nothing; but in common with them the modern by tradition only always erect the figure of the revolution for the latitude of the natal place. 2

Moreover we should not forget that solar returns should not be considered per se but they are included in the wider context of the  system known as “division of times” 3 where directions and profections are obviously linked to the natal place because they are symbolic movements  of the sky.

In this context there is no meaning in relocating one chart and maintaining the rest basing it on birth place. It’s very  difficult to change our fate (or if you prefer our birth chart), often the more we try to avoid it the faster we meet.

Written by Margherita Fiorello, CIDA certified member, for heaven astrolabe blog @ year 2011. If you want to be notified the next time I write something, subscribe to my RSS feed.

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BIBLIOGRAPHY & NOTES


  1. Ben Dykes, Using Medieval Astrology: Michael Jackson’s Nativity, 2004 []
  2. Morin de Villefranche, translated by James Herschel Holden, Astrologia Gallica Book 23 (American Federation of Astr, 2000). []
  3. Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos, IV, 10 []
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